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Someone might object here, by saying, “But when I talk about church growth, I mean more than size too.”

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It’s just easier to defend the claim that our church is growing if we can point to some quantifiable data that appears self evidently to support that claim. “Yeah, we had 500 new members last year, and added a gajillion dollar family life center/Go Kart track/Sea World Aquarium.” See? Easy peasy.

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I’m not saying big churches are necessarily bad, any more than I’m saying that being homecoming king or queen is bad. All I’m saying is that we ought explicitly to agree that, for churches, the assumption that “growing” means “getting bigger and more self evidently successful” is in the absence of any other criteria a horrible way to measure growth, in the canada goose deals same way that we would agree that being homecoming king and queen isn’t the only (or even the best) measure of whether our children are growing.

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